Vicki Delany here. For all the years it’s
been running so successfully, the mandate of Mystery Lovers Kitchen has been
food. Food and books and highlighting our authors and their culinary books and our marvellous guest
authors.
For the first time ever, I’m stepping
outside of that mandate with a personal message. I want to explain to you, as
well as I am able, why I have cancelled all of my forthcoming appearances in
the US. Including Malice Domestic, Bouchercon, book signings, library talks, and
festivals.
The Canadian contingent at Bouchercon, Indianapolis, 2009
This is strictly my own opinion, and the
other MLK authors have not provided input in any way, other than to allow me to
say what I have to say.
I invite you to join the conversation in a polite and considerate manner. Abuse of any sort will not be tolerated and the comment removed.
It’s been somewhat surreal to suddenly find
that I, as a Canadian citizen, am an enemy of the United States. Out of
literally nowhere, the President of the United States and many of his advisors are
making outright threats against Canada. They say they don’t believe that Canada
is a ‘real country’ (Elon Musk), that Canadians want to be the 51st
State (Donald Trump) that our borders are up for discussion (Trump again), and
Canada has (apparently without any of us noticing) been ‘taken over by Mexican cartels’ (Peter
Navarro) .
Every one of these points is laughingly untrue.
A lie if you will.
Do Canadians want to be a 51st State?
Not according to this poll by respected pollster Angus Reid conducted on March 12, 2025
51st State: Canadian resolve in saying ‘no’ continues, while a massive gap between Trump & Americans is revealed -
Is Canada a real county? What does that even mean? We think we are – therefore we are.
Are our borders negotiable without our
agreement? Not according to
international law, but if you want to go there take a look at Maine and Alaska
and tell me where they should be.
Has Canada been taken over by Mexican
cartels? They must be awfully well hidden, as you almost never hear Spanish
spoken in Canada.
I believe Canada, and the entire democratic world, is at an existential crossroads. The current regime in the United States is determined, for whatever demented reason, to eliminate Canada as an independent country, by whatever means necessary. The insults from the President and other members of the regime against our Prime Minster personally (and yes, Governor is an insult and meant as such) as well as the country as a whole are relentless. The tone and much of the wording is exactly the same as used by Russia prior to its invasion of Ukraine as in the examples I gave above.
We don’t for a minute believe, even if this
comes to pass, we would be a “51st state.” We wouldn’t be a state, with voting rights and
government investment, but a colony, a vassal to be exploited for resources. We believe this intended exploitation is the
entire purpose of this out-of-nowhere threat.
In 2019, the leaders of the United States,
Canada, and Mexico negotiated a revised free trade treaty called CUSMA (CanadaUSMexicoAgreement).
This treaty is up for renewal in 2026. 2026. Not today. Showing
that the word of the President of the United States is meaningless, Trump has
overturned the agreement and slapped steep tariffs on Canada and Mexico.
Trump’s excuse for tearing up the treaty is
that Canada is allowing fentanyl to “pour’ across the border. That is an out
and out lie.
According to CNN on Feb 3, 2025 : Fact
check: Canada makes up just 0.2% of US border fentanyl seizures | CNN Politics
Federal statistics show US border
authorities seized 21,889 pounds of fentanyl in the 2024 fiscal year. Of that
amount, 43 pounds were seized at the Canadian border — about 0.2%
Only a month later, on March 4, 2025, then Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
quoted data from US customs and border protection:
“..fentanyl seizures from Canada have
dropped 97 per cent between December 2024 and January 2025 to a near-zero low
of 0.03 pounds seized by U.S. Customs and Border Protection."
Near zero. Down
from a very low figure to begin with.
Therefore, there is literally nothing
Canada can do, as the PM pointed out, to fix a problem that does not exist.
(As an aside there are no customs and immigration checks upon leaving
either Canada or the US for the other country.
Is it not, therefore, the responsibility of US customs to stop illicit
goods coming in? Never mind attempting to solve the fentanyl problem in your
country yourselves.)
Why then does Trump keep repeating the lie? Because it isn’t about making trade ‘fair’ or fixing problems that don’t exist, and thus cannot be fixed, but creating circumstances to permit the annexation of Canada’s Arctic, natural resources, and water. Remember the very large faucet that apparently all we have to do is turn on?
This isn’t a trade dispute; it is an
outright attack on our sovereignty and Canadians are coming together in a way
they haven’t since WWII. We are well
aware that a trade war hurts everyone, but the Government of Canada believes
appeasement will accomplish nothing, so Canada has imposed tariffs on a wide
range of US goods.
As well as retaliatory tariffs, Canadians
are fighting back in other ways. Stores are posting stickers on shelves
indicating Canadian goods. Apps are being created to indicate the nationality
of companies and the source of their product, and Canadians are taking those
apps shopping. The world’s largest purchaser of alcohol is the Ontario liquor
stores - all US products have been removed from the shelves and the same thing
is happening in other provinces. The
province of Ontario (where I live) announced a 25 percent surcharge on exports
of electricity to the US (now on ‘pause’ pending further developments.) Substantial
numbers of Canadians are cancelling holidays to the US, or, like me, forgoing optional
business trips. The list goes on and continues to grow.
On March 19, the CBC reported that in
February, 500,000 fewer Canadians travelled to the US from Canada than the same
time last year. Cross-border
trips to the U.S. reach COVID lows with nearly 500,000 fewer travellers in
February | CBC News. So, yes. We are
serious about this.
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Ontario Liquor Store – March 2025, photo by Vicki Delany |
We’re not interested in the game of ‘on-again, off-again, on-again’ Trump is engaging in. As long as the threat exists, Canada will retaliate.
Our new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has
been very clear. "We will never, in any shape or form, be part of the US,”
he said on March 14, 2025.
It has been said that Canadians are prepared to sacrifice much in this fight and Americans nothing, so we do have the upper hand. Which of course, considering your President, might not matter.
We will see how things pan out, but I am encouraged by the solid and vocal support we are getting from our many American friends.
There isn’t much I can do, as an average Canadian citizen, to resist these threats, other than make my position public, shop mindfully, and refuse to grace the United States by my presence, definitely not spend any money.
I will admit the decision to forgo travel
to the US is easier for me than it might be for self-published or small press authors
and particularly for writers just starting their career. I have a solid social
media following, I have a strong reader base, I’m active in two prominent
online cozy mystery groups, I’ve been building my newsletter distribution list
for twenty years.
It’s up to each of us to decide what’s best
for us and for our country. I’ve made my decision.
Elbows up.
(You’ll be seeing the phrase “elbows up” a
lot. That’s a hockey saying meaning to protect yourself and your teammates, to
fight back.)
Vicki at Pennsylvania Tea Festival - 2023
Vicki at Poisoned Pen, Scottsdale AZ, 2019 |
I am so very sorry. Elbows up indeed.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
Delete"unable to sign in to comment" marjorie.french@gmail.com is the best I can figure out!! #ELBOWSWAYUP!!! I did not vote for the traitor, never would and I am so sorry that this creep and his creepy friends are ruining so many lives. I do not understand why anyone would believe anything he says. I support Canada 100%, as I do all the others he wants to "annex". IF I could I would move, but I am stuck here, living BLUE in a RED state in a now bleedingly RED country of racism and greed. Your books are wonderful! I fear that as a result of the newest attacks on libraries here, I won't be able to read some my favorite authors. My county library has already had to stop HOOPLA due to cost. :(:(
Deletealways on your side, Marjorie.
As a fellow Canadian, I thank you for your clear and truthful reiteration of the facts. I join you in elbows up.
ReplyDeleteWell said, VICKI. I totally support your decision. I cancelled my trip to NOLA Bouchercon.
ReplyDelete#elbowsup #never51
As an American, I am sorry. I didn't vote for this and am horrified by what is going on.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your support
DeleteNot sure why I didn't change "anonymous" to my actual name in my first comment, but anyway.
DeleteYou're welcome.
Oh stop it.
DeleteI want to apologize on behalf of my circle of friends for the horrible behavior of the current administration. These are very troubling times in the US. 🥲
ReplyDeleteDo not apologize for those of us who are with PRESIDENT Trump. Which is most of us! Stop clutching your pearls.
DeleteI support you all the way, Vicki. I only hope our democracy survives. #elbowsup
ReplyDeleteEdith, I do as well, but at this moment, it doesn't look good. With those in charge literally refusing to do what the courts have told them what they need to do, it doesn't bode well.
DeleteI am so very embarrassed for our country right now and I pray that some saner minds can come forth and fix us. I still live your work and plan to purchase your books and support your decisions to protect your country and your freedom.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Your support is very much appreciated.
DeleteI'm so terribly sorry. I didn't vote for this and am as horrified as you are...plus terrified. - I can't figure out how to get this off anonymous, but signed, Shelly Franz
ReplyDeleteThe best reason I’ve heard is that Trump is ceding Asia to China and Europe to Russia so he needs a bigger presence in North America. I don’t know many if any who favor this. I certainly don’t.
ReplyDeleteI've heard this as well. The world is in danger from those three 'leaders'.
DeleteAs one United States citizen, I can say that it saddens me and makes me angry at the way this has all laid out and makes me fearful of what may lay ahead. While I did NOT vote for Trump, he is our President. That right does not make him a dictator, which is what this "king" would like to be from all accounts. Our country was founded on democracy, which included being able to speak our minds. Right now congressmen are refusing to meet with folks to discuss the situation as it stands and it's consequences and folks that demonstrate or speak out are being arrested or worse deported merely because of race, tattoos and the like. We feel like we are in a damned if we do and damned if we don't situation. I don't understand how our country can cause such a rift with a country we have stood alongside with for so long - one who has been proven to be an ally for decades and then align oneself with a proven heartless dictator. As for the tariffs, we are already feeling the sting of that ill advised, stupid action and the trinkle down effect hasn't even begun yet. Please know that the vast majority of the United States citizens are NOT behind any of this and appreciate that you don't paint us all with the yellow paint brush of the few, but rich that seem to be pulling the strings at the present. While you stand strong as a country, please do me a favor - pray for the United States citizens, the small man (and woman), who don't agree with the elected officials and are trying in our own small way to correct this travesty to our people, our country and those outside our boundaries that this effects.
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Thanks for your support, Kay, and we do fully understand your position
DeleteDang President Duck!
ReplyDeleteYou must do what is right for you. As an American, I can only offer my sincerest apologies for what the president is doing to your country and so many others. If you had any concern about losing readers because of your stance, please know that most of us honor your choice and agree with it. I can only say I'm sorry for what too many Americans voted.
ReplyDeleteElbows up, indeed!
Thank you.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all i love your books. I live in Rochester , New York not that far from the border and having been a very frequent visitor of your beautiful country and will continue to visit i’m with you 100%. I do not like the bunch of idiots ruining our country and think the orange president is an embarrassment .
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry this is happening. I lived 45 minutes from the Canadian border for 40 years. We visited many times and were awestruck by the safety, cleanliness and kindness that Canada has always provided. I never thought this would happen but then never thought a man convicted of 37 felonies, with 5 bankruptcies, 5 children by 3 different women, a man who embraces prejudice, misogyny, violence and constant chaos would be president. Unfortunately, many like-minded people are embracing the “Let them” theory. It’s becoming a movement. The country has been divided—and those in power want to conquer (steal) from us and our neighbors without consequences. Many feel powerless to fight and defend against the powerful 1%, whose techie henchmen have access bank accounts, Social Security and private information.
ReplyDeleteI am an American citizen and never thought I would be ashamed to say so. I did not vote for Trump and do not support him and his reckless policies in any way. I love Canada and have always looked at Canada as a friend and ally. I am saddened that some Americans have forgotten that Canadians fought and died along side us fighting for freedom. I totally support you and your decision to forego any visit to the US. Personally I believe it is not safe for anyone to come here and urge people to reconsider any visits here. You can’t trust someone who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. People who are here legally are being stopped, there are threats to those of us who resist and the things being said are things I never believed would be voiced. Thank you for your part in banning products. If given a choice between an American product or a Canadian product I will choose Canadian. Please know there is a resistance to these horrible policies to strip away rights and destroy our democracy. I am hopeful we will rise again to be a great country, but not for at least the next 4 years. In the meantime know there are many, many Americans who continue to love Canada and its people and we too say elbows up my friend.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
DeleteI am glad that you do not hold us, the citizens accountable. It is mind boggling to read about what is going on and quite silly for anyone to think that Canada 🇨🇦 would want to walk away from its own sovereignty. Stand strong with #elbowsout and thank you again for your wonderful books!
ReplyDeleteWe will miss you, but we support your choice. Elbows UP!
ReplyDeleteVicki, this is very well said as an American I am embarrassed and distraught and upset and scared about what is happening in my country. I didn’t vote for this and I can’t understand how some people are still supporting this madness I will publicize your books every which way I can You need to stand up for your country and that’s wonderful. I need to try to figure out how or what my part is in trying to get my country back. It’s a very scary time.
ReplyDeleteIt's quite horrific how Canada - our friend and our ally - has been treated by this administration. I stand with Canada and mourn the demise of our democracy here in the U.S. #elbowsup
ReplyDeleteThis is so well written. Thank you
ReplyDeleteElbows up and Donald better hope the sticks don’t drop and the gloves come off.
I AM CANADIAN
I echo the sentiments of these responders. I am so embarrassed by so much of what this current administration is saying and doing. They, in no way, reflect the opinions or sentiments of most Americans… myself included. Please be patient with us. Hopefully this will be resolved.
ReplyDeleteI just have to say, I am embarrassed to be an American. I did not vote for this President at either election. He’s a wannabe Dictator. I do not blame you a bit for your decision not to come to the US. I would make the same choice if I were in your position. Let’s just hope we can survive this evil man and his cohorts.
ReplyDeleteI am so very sorry that the current president has gone off the deep end. My grandparents were Canadian before migrating to Maine. I have spent time writing apologies to my cousins in several Provinces of Canada, I have pointed out that he is demented, and hope they will forgive the hateful actions that have taken place. Elbows up to all Canadians, and I hope we can all survive the next 1330 days.
ReplyDeleteAnd I just went out and bought 2 BIG bags of Tim Horton Coffee!
DeleteElbows Up ! I as American am ashamed to what is happening between our countries. Yes you are a country! My grandfather came from the province of Quebec and our family has visited there. I support your decision. Stay strong and hopefully will grow a backbone and stop what is happening.
ReplyDeleteI am awed by all the support from Americans commenting on Vicki's heartfelt and courageous post. Thank you! As a writer colleague and friend of Vicki's, I really appreciate your words on here. We have been feeling alone. Hope to see everyone at Malice and Bouchercon in future years.
ReplyDeleteUnderstand the anger. Will authors still be selling their books in the US?
ReplyDeleteI am published by American publishers so they will continue to do so. We don't know what's happening with Canadian publishers who sell to US bookstores.
DeleteThank you very much, Vicki. I am an American who came to live in Canada 21 years ago. I have Permanent Residency and am awaiting my application to be approved for full citizenship, which I put in after the election. I grew up in Chicago in the 60's and 70's and love that I was exposed to so many wonderful ethnic backgrounds. Diversity makes up better, more rounded humans, I believe, and I love learning about other people and cultures. I always thought our differences are what makes us strong. While one person may be weak in an area, another may be strong in that same area and it all works out for the best. It breaks my heart to see the US going in the hateful direction it is heading. I feel I align more with Canadians and while I have my beautiful grown daughter living in the States, she knows she is welcome to come here anytime if she wants. I have the most respect for you for putting your beliefs above all. Keep writing those wonderful stories. I love them! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteVicki, as an avid reader, good friend, bridge partner and so much more, I couldn’t be prouder of what you have chosen to do! If more people especially our friends south of the border would stand up and speak up they may be able to slow the madness! I am doing do on my end! Elbows up! 😘👍👏💯🇨🇦
ReplyDeleteThanks.
DeleteTotally ridiculous!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much, Vicki, for speaking up and speaking out. And I am deeply appreciative of the support our readers are showing -- thank you all.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate reading your well articulated post Vicki. Thank you for speaking your truth so eloquently and so boldly. I support you wholeheartedly
ReplyDeleteThank you for standing up and speaking out in this distressing time! I support you. Elbows up!!
ReplyDeleteI'm appalled and horrified by what is happening in our country now, and truly appreciate your posting this today on our blog. These are scary times, which call for us all to speak our mind. We love Canada and support you fully, Vicki!
ReplyDeleteI am an American and I did not vote for the so called President. I will never vote for that "man". I agree with everything you have said.
ReplyDeleteSo sorry for everyone that we have come to this point.
ReplyDeleteWell done, Vicki, and well done to all our readers with their supportive comments. Your voice, our voices, bring light to these dark days.
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ReplyDeleteWe are behind you all the way Vicki! I’m sad but not surprised by current events. Where are the checks and balances? Has everyone in Washington lost their minds? I only hope that our neighbors realize that most Americans consider them friends and allies and we’re just as shocked and horrified by this agenda as they are.
ReplyDeleteWe do realize, thank you.
DeleteI totally support your decision and your Country. Elbows Up!
ReplyDeleteAs an American, I am embarrassed by what is happening to my country. We have a president who would like to be a Putin like dictator and a non-elected billionaire trying to dismantle our government. I support your decision not to visit our country. By the way, why hasn't anyone mentioned that Canada, while independent, is part of the British Commonwealth?
ReplyDeleteKing Charles is our head-of-state. Some people are very unhappy that he hasn't come out and said anything. However, like his mother he makes subtle gestures. He recently appeared in his naval uniform with all his Canadian medals and honours. Is it enough? Maybe not.
DeleteVicki, you have express Canadian feelings so well. Thank you. Every day is worse than the last, but as Canadians and supportive Americans come together, all is not totally gloom.
ReplyDeleteI applaud your decision to stay home. Our local choir went to the US on March Break 2 weeks ago to sing at Carnegie Hall. Their guest conductor-an Indigenous Canadian who has been before, was pulled aside as they landed in New York. He was put into a room, phone confiscated, unable to get messages to the choir conductors. Hours later, he was taken from the cold 'cell' and escorted by ICE onto a plane to return to Canada. Anyone who does travel needs to have their paperwork in order, and be ready to be stopped at any time during their trip.
We are Canadian. We are not going to relinquish our country to pay higher taxes (yes, 47 is lying about almost everything he has said about "nasty" Canada), lose our healthcare and education, have our children be afraid to go to school because of an influx of gun toting citizens, and not have the right to vote (because we know that we'd not be given true state status). There are significant differences between Americans and Canadians. We love our cousins, but they aren't close family.
Now, I'm off to finish reading my latest Vicki Delany book-The Game is Afoot. #elbowsup
I’m deeply sorry this is happening. I’m embarrassed of the unstable man baby in charge and his gang of bullies. I love Canada and all the beautiful people there.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry that you and other Canadians have been put in this position by my insane government. I read today about a Canadian actress who was picked up by ICE when crossing from Mexico to USA, she was able to get a phone call out & was released after 2 frightening weeks, so it's obviously not a safe place to visit at this time. Canada and the USA have been close friends and allies for many years, I think that most of my fellow citizens are angered by these actions. I hope that it will become safe for Canadians to visit in the near future, until then stay strong and know that your American fans will be here for you.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
DeleteTrump's remarks about Canada prove that he is either an idiot or has dementia. I keep contacting my Republican Senator asking that he do something about Trump and Musk. My Representative is election-denying Scott Perry who is a total Trump toady. Prayers for both our countries and the world.
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ReplyDeleteVicki, I support your decision and appreciate your sharing this here. Elbows Up!
ReplyDeleteWhile I appreciate how you feel, I am also sorry you chose to bring politics to this blog site. I definitely support your right to express your opinion, I just don't think this is the right forum. Your decision to withdraw from US events will disappoint your fans, who truly understand your position.
ReplyDeleteThat's a fair comment, Lois. I discussed this with the MLK crew and they gave me permission to post. My opinion is that we Canadians have to get our word out. I wonder how many people in the US truly realize what we are fearing.
DeleteI am Horrified by what the current administration of my country is doing saying and even thinking. I understand your decision or not visiting the US at this time. I am somewhat hopeful that this will not be permanent. I am terrified, not only for the continued existence of democracy, but actually existence of millions of Americans impacted by the decisions and policies the current administration is making. I am adopting the elbows up attitude for me and mine and all the other good people in the US and even worldwide.
ReplyDeleteI agree completewith what you have written. It is a dark time in the US, and no doubt will get much darker. I am sickened and ashamed of the hatred and disrespect shown to our Canadian neighbors and friends. Please know that ma y of us love, respect, and appreciate Canada.
ReplyDeleteLike most Americans, I appreciate Canada and its citizens. The current administration's policy with respect to our neighbors is appalling. It's understandable why you will not come to this country. I'm sorry I won't see you at book events in the US for a while. ~Maya
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry Vickie. I am very ashamed and embarrassed to say I am an American. I have never felt that way before. I have lived most of my life across Lake St. Clair from Canada and could see the Canadian shoreline when driving down Lakeshore Road in Michigan. We spent many vacations in Canada and always enjoyed ourselves and the Canadian people. Going through customs when traveling to and from Canada was always a welcome and easy experience. I hope in the future the US and Canada can renew their friendly neighbor relationship.
ReplyDeleteWe stand with you, and with your elbows, and we will miss you.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
DeleteI am beyond saddened, embarrassed and completely horrified by the words and actions of the current administration in this country. Canada has much to be proud of, right now most especially the character and strength of it's citizens. Elbows up indeed!
ReplyDeleteElbows up!
ReplyDeleteMy grandmother was born in Canada. I have nothing but love for Canada. Trump? That's another story!!
ReplyDeleteThank you Vicki, for your well-reasoned statement. As many others have said, this is a profound embarrassment to many, many people in the US. If I were only younger, believe me when I say I would seriously consider moving to Canada. These revolting actions do not represent me and the America I have (mostly) loved. Sent by Pat in Arizona
ReplyDeleteThank you for your support.
DeleteSo ridiculous. As an American I fully support our President. You just don't get it.
ReplyDeleteThat's fine, but he is not OUR president. His threats at taking over any country that isn't yours are demeaning at best, and terrifying to Canadian/Greenlander/Panamanian citizens. Being able to be fair, honest, empathetic and understanding are traits that your president and his co are deficient. You just don't get it. Vicki didn't write this to debate her position, she wrote it to explain it.
DeleteAs an American I am ashamed at what he has done to my country. He is a horrible man, father, husband, human, who cares only for himself...no matter what his friends and family might believe. He is not a Christian. He has no faith at all. I am embarrassed to share DNA with trumpers. I am, like you, only one person, but I raise my voice as loudly as I can. I'm terrified of losing my job and home because of him but I will not stand down.
ReplyDeleteI will continue to read your books and the books of other favorite Canadian writers.
As an author, I’ve always been politically mute on social media. My books aren’t political. It didn’t seem to be the correct place to vent.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I think the days of keeping quiet about politics to be polite are long over.
We’re no longer talking about policy issues—I support this proposal and you support that. This isn’t even a party issue in my mind. The US Republican party has been body-snatched. It doesn’t look anything like it used to when Dems and Republicans could fight on the floor, then pat each other on the back and go out to lunch.
People need to wake up and recognize our government, our standing on the world stage, and our way of life is in dire jeopardy. All that to say, bravo you for taking a stand. And based on some of the things I’ve heard about Canadians traveling in the US, it might not even be safe. ICE is on a rampage.
Stay home, stay safe, and maybe you can annex some of us!
I am beyond sorry that you and others have been made to even consider this action, much less follow through with it. What this person is doing to our beloved country is something I never thought would happen. My blame is directed towards our Republican led Congress for not doing their jobs and put a stop to this carnage. They are afraid of his power which they gave to him. I salute you and others for standing up for your beliefs. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your support
DeleteI never thought I would ever say this but I am ashamed to be an American.
ReplyDeleteThanks for writing such a poignant explanation. As a fellow Canadian, I feel exactly the same way. What's happening is frightening and distressing. I've canceled my trip to Malice, as well. As an emerging author, it was a very difficult decision.
ReplyDeleteYou are right, Vicki, in everything that you say. We have gotten ourselves in a mess here in the U.S., and I am sorry that Canada has been pulled into it. I have always felt Canada, as a country, had a sanity we did not possess here. At this time there are no comforting words to offer. The damage our corrupt leader is doing may not be fixable for generations, if ever...................Donald Koozer
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